Anna Giabardo

 

Eleonora Carta

Marina Fuin

Sara Pahor

 

OUR IMPRESSIONS ABOUT WORD ASSOCIATION

 

  • AMERICA: Only one of us wrote "McDonald's", which is the most typical symbol of the USA around the world. On the other hand, a couple of American students associated America with "McDonald's" and "Starbucks". Probably, many Italians do not consider "McDonald's" a specific American product anymore, as we have a lot of them in our cities as well and "fast-food culture" has become part of our everyday life in the last years. Both for us and for them America is a very big country (maybe compared to Italy or other European countries). Both the Americans and the Italians associate America with money, power and George Bush :-) But only the Italians made explicit references to 9/11.

 

  • ITALY: We all seem to agree that Italian food is great :-) Many American and Italian students mentioned Italian art, landscape, and soccer. We all seem to have more or less the same idea of Italy, and surprisingly, it is quite free from prejudices ;-)

 

...about sentence completion

 

As far as education is concerned, Italian students seem to strongly highlight  the importance of meritocracy, maybe because this is a typical Italian issue... :-(( Both the Italians and the Americans think that education should cover many different topics and teach something practical which can be useful outside school.

As regards teachers, we noticed that we all came up with very different ideas. Anyway, everybody stressed motivation as something fundamental for a good teacher. 

 

The American side

Abbiamo  notato che la parola "meritocrazia" e` stata usata molto. Noi non capiamo quale impatto la meritocrazia abbia sulla vita accademica o sociale. Potete spiegarci?

 

Questions for Chiara

 

  • Do you think immigrants usually keep their own culture and traditions when they come to live in America? Or do they just try to "become" American?
  • What issues/problems do you think American politics does not pay enough attention to? What do you think politicians could do to improve the lives of American citizens?  

 

 

 Task 2

 

The three words I chose within those of the Word Association results are: Immigrants, American men, and Italian lifestyle. I met some new words while reading the responses: buff, work-a-holic, hot-cold, nap. I looked for these entries. (From AND CompLex 3---Collins COBUILD E-dictBuff: "...someone who knows a lot about a particular subject [...]". Workaholic: "A person who works most of the time and finds it difficult to stop in order to do other things[...]" Nap: " If you have a nap, you have a short sleep, usually during the day." I didn't find out "hot-cold". I don't know neither if it's a common expression or a single person's usage. However, I guess it means that American men can be both passionate and unfeeling (or/and not showing their feelings.) All these three words are informally used.
 I'll try to make a summary of the results obtained for the 3 different words I chose. I’ll consider American students’ answers in particular. The words that compare more often are:
- for ‘Immigrants’: American dream, different, poverty. Americans tend to enter the immigration to the natural issues of America since they say that immigration 'is' America. This is quite an obvious point of view because America is a relatively new country which has been growing through immigrants. In general, the idea given is that the immigrant is someone who finds him/herself in a difficult situation from which he/she wants to release. There is not a definite negative connotation about immigrants as people; instead, the situation in which immigrants find themselves is considered hard to live.
- for ‘American men’: busy/career, sports oriented, hard workers. First I want to say I chose this word because, while responding to the Word association, I became aware I haven’t a precise idea of the American man, neither a stereotyped vision. I was curious about Americans’ answers. I found out Americans haven't a wonderful idea about the American men. The portrait given is about cold, career-oriented men who are only interested in work, sports and beer!
- for ‘Italian lifestyle’: relaxing (very high frequency!) and good food. To me, this idea about Italian lifestyle is ambivalent and double faced: the first that Italians can live appreciating good things of life - which is good -, and the second that Italians are allowed to stay alI day long relaxing (eventually sleeping and eating and drinking!) - which is bad-. I really think that our lifestyle is slower than the American, but I think our American peers have a too relaxed idea about our lives. Maybe, I'd need to live in America before being able to make comparisons... However I was impressed only one Dickinson student associated us and our lifestyle with ‘family orientated’. I thought the idea we are 'mammoni' was more common all around the world...

 

Still, the words that compare only once are:

- for 'Immigrants': important. I was wondering many times if I consider immigration important or not from an economical and social point of view. Our country has known massive immigration only recently, and I think that we all have not a clear idea about the effects of this globalization. Good or not its effects are still to become evident here. I think that US people have more valuable opinions about immigration. 

- for 'American men': pigs (!) and intelligent. Apart from the first adjective (which can be told about a great part of men on earth...:P), I'd like to know why Americans have not a great consideration about American men. The general idea given is not that brilliant, is it?

- for 'Italian lifestyle': art. The 'relaxing' idea about Italy overwhelmed all people's associations! Only one person remembered about the great artworks we have here. Thank you:)

 

About sentence completion, I really like these two:

- A good parent is someone who sets a good example for his/her children, and allows them to be who they want to be.

- A good teacher is someone who can motivate his students to be the best they can be and allow them to think on their own.

I like these two sentences because they both recall the importance of the freedom of expression. I think it's important not to force people to do something, but let them be how they like through the best way they can.

 

Finally, reading our American peers' answers, I'd like to ask something about:

1- What is 'Ellis Island' and why do you associate it with immigration?

2- Do you think your ideas about Italy are influenced by any mass-media product (e.i. The Sopranoes)? If yes, could you please tell me which are these sources and what are they about?

 

Bye,

Zara

 

 

Marina

 

The three words I chose in the Word Association are Italian lifestyle (like Zara), Politics and Community, because the answers for these words were not the answers I expected. Like Zara did, I focused most on the answers of our American peers. The only meanings I didn't know were:

"Nap": "A period of time spent sleeping"(wordreference)  (I think this is the meaning the student wanted to use);

"Laid back": "Having a relaxed style or character" (Merriam-webster).

 

As for the words I chose, here's the summary of the answers:

 

Italian Lifestyle: The words that appear most are "Relax" and "take it easy" for the Americans, whereas Italians use a lot of different adjectives. I think this is because it is more difficult to speak of ourselves than of the other people. What do you think? On the other hand, the words that appear only once are "wine", "cheese", "bread", "fashion", "family orientated", "social",  "smile" and "art", all words linked to our food and art. I agree with Zara with her explanations because I was surprised to see that Americans see Italians like relaxed people. As I never visited America, I can't make comparisons, but I would expect the answers to be more regarding the family. I don't agree with Zara when she says that "Relaxed" has a negative connotation. Maybe our American students would like to have a less frenetic lifestyle.

Community: The words that appear most are "Friends" and "Family", whereas the words that appear only once are "Rules" and "Service". Here I wouold make a comparison between American and Italian answers because I think they are different from each other (even though they all have a positive connotation). We talked more about the rules and the characteristics of a "Community", whereas our American peers talked more about family and friends. Someone talked also about "College dormitory", which is a kind of Community that is not part of our culture.

Politics: The answers for this words were almost the same for Italians and Americans, in particular the words that appeared most were "Complicated" and "Corrupt". Most part of the answers had a negative connotation, especially in those written by Italians. I think that this reflects our present reality. The answers of the Italians were full of anger and reflected all the different points that don't work in our country. In the words that appear only once there's "Red- Blue States", which personally I don't know what it means.

 

In the Sentence Completion, the sentences that most struck me were:

 

A good neighbor is someone who:

- isn't too nosy, can take care of your house when you're gone

- keeps a spare key to your house for when you locked yourself out

I think that this demonstrates that American neighbors feel more part of the same family, whereas Italians said that a good neighbor is someone who do not bother and don't poke.

 

A good son is someone who:

- respects his parents. This sentence was written by almost everyone from the American students, whereas what struck me in particular was that some Italians wrote "cerca la propria indipendenza senza pesare sui genitori" and "prende la sua strada senza ferire o recare danno a un genitore". I think that this deny the common idea of how Italians see themselves, like "mammoni". It makes us see that we do not live with our family because we do not want to become independent.

 

 

Like I said before, I don't know what are Red- and Blue states, so I would like to ask it to our American peers.

Another question I'd like to ask them is why they do see Italians as relaxed people. I woould like to know where this ideas comes from.

 

See you! :-)

 

Marina

 

Hi Zara and Marina,
I just wanted to make some observations on what you pointed out in your posts.
I also noticed that Dickinson students associated immigrants with poverty and the difficult situations they often live in. I think that the American side really emphasized the fact that immigrants try to become American rather than keep their own traditions. One student used the expression “let them be”, maybe to stress that immigrants should feel free to live their life as they want.
I agree with Marina about politics. We all used words with a negative connotations to describe it (the most used ones were “corrupted”, “complex”). Is the general situation really so bad?!? It’s kind of scaring, isn’t it?? ;-)
I also wonder why they think our lifestyle is so relaxed…That might be true in small towns I guess, but surely not in metropolis like Milan. And unfortunately, lunch breaks are not usually long enough to take a nap... :-( By the way, I learnt a useful informal term to describe someone who feels under pressure: up tight. I had never heard it before ;-)
See you on Monday,
Eleonora
PS: I’d also like to know where “Ellis Island” is and why is it significant for immigration…

 

 

Hi Eleonora!

 

I didn't know the meaning of "up tight" too, and, like you, I'd like to know where is Ellis Island... I think that Italy and America have different types of immigrations. It could be a huge topic to discuss on Monday with Chiara.

I also agree with you with the fact that in cities like Milan the life is not so relaxed... That's why the answers of the Americans surprised me.

As for politics, I really think that in Italy we have a very negative situation... :-(

Anyway! See you on Monday to meet Chiara and learn more about American culture! :-)

 

Bye

 

Marina

 

   

Eleonora: 

Hi there!
As I do not think we will have the chance to meet before Monday, we’d better discuss here about the question we want to ask the Americans. It’s not so easy because I guess we were all struck by different things and are all curious about different matters.
Anyway, I suggest that everyone of us points out what caught her attention most and then we’ll see what we have in common. I hope we’ll come up with some similar ideas :-)
Personally, I was really surprised by the “definition” of the word “Mafia” given by one American student. She/he wrote:
 
 
wrongly seen as something "cool" in America while truly destroying lives and communities overseas, and is a pressing problem that needs to be addressed.  
 
 
I had never imagined that the Mafia could be seen as something cool…I thought it could happen only in movies :-) I’d really like to ask our American peers where they think this idea comes from. I’d also like to know if in the USA the Mafia is seen as something typically Italian or if it is associated with other countries as well (for example China or Russia).
 
Reading the sentences about “People from the North/the South” was also quite fun for me.
When I answered the questions in the forum, I stumbled across a post whose title was “Terroni o polentoni?” and I couldn’t avoid reading the comments :-) If you have the chance, go and have a look at it, it’s very interesting.
I noticed that the differences (and the prejudices) between the North and the South are more or less the same both in America and in Italy.
Actually, I did not know that the “Northern States VS Southern States” issue was still so relevant in the USA. I thought it was something which belonged more to the past, to the decades immediately after the Civil War. I read that in some Southern States you can still see “the flags of the Confederates” around.
I’d like to ask the Americans if there are people in the South that really want to secede from the rest of the country. If so, what might the reasons for this “wish” be? I’d also like to ask the two foreign students at Dickinson if in their countries they have s similar problem.
 
As I wrote before, these are the two issues that struck me most, but of course they are not the only ones. There are thousands of questions I would like to ask our peers overseas, so if you prefer to focus on something else it will be fine the same. Just write it here :-)
After all, I am sure we will have plenty of time to find out more about life in the Sates…The exchange has just begun! ;-)
 
See you!
Eleonora  
 

 

PS: On Monday Sarah told something about our mid-term paper. I think she said we should write a blog post about it, but I'm not sure. Maybe you have understood better than me what we are supposed to do and can help me...;-) Thanks! 

 

 

Marina

 

Hi girls!

I read the comment of Eleonora and personally I'm interested in the topic of North-South and I would like to know what are the differences and similarities with our experience.

Furthermore, I wrote some days ago in this page that I think America has a different experience regarding immigration. As far as I know, they have problems with Mexican immigrants, and I would like to know what are their politics about immigration and if they agree with them or they would do something different.

 

 

As for the mid-term paper, I have understood that all our texts with the corrections are here, so that everyone can look at the others' mistakes and learn from them.

 

See you! :-)

 

 

 

Anna Giabardo

 

 

Hi guys!

 

Sorry for taking part to the discussion so late.

 

I agree with Eleonora that discussing in more in detail about the differences between North and South  and how they’ve been coping with it, would be very interesting. Of course I realize the Italian situation is quite different, as we are just one country with differences just among regions, while they have to deal with a huge territory and differences among states; but still this topic strikes me.

 

As an alternative, I would also like to discuss about immigration, as this is a current topic/problem here in Italy. The US have been living with foreign people practically forever, so I’m interested in getting to know their point of view and their experience in that matter.

 

See you!

 

Anna

 

 

Hi girls!

 

It seems like the two topics we are most interested in are:

 

1- The ‘North VS South’ issue

2- Immigration

 

So these are the questions I would suggest:

 

 1- Can you tell us in more details how the situation between Northern and Southern States are? What sort of differences (economic, social, political…) are more evident between the two parts of the country? As far as you know, do you think there are some similarities with the situation in Italy?

2- What kind of policy has been adopted in the US to cope with the issue of immigration (especially in the last few years)? Do you think it has worked? If not, what could have been done better?

PS: What/Where is ‘Ellis Island’ and why do you associate it with immigration?

 

If you agree, I can post one of these two questions tomorrow morning. Just tell me which one do you think is better. Obviously, if you have other ideas, if you want to correct the questions, change or add something you are welcome ;-)

 

Let me know,

Eleonora

 

 

 

Hi Eleonora!

 

I read the questions in the comments of Sarah's post, and the topics of both of our questions are not mentioned. I think

that yours are perfect and you can add one of them. Personally, I'm interested in both, so, you choose!

 

C U tomorrow! :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 YEARS OF LEAD

From Wikipedia: years of lead, Christian Democracyhistoric compromise.

 

Italy endured a period of political turmoil in the 1970s and early 1980s. Known as the years of lead (Italian: anni di piombo), this period was characterized by widespread social conflict and acts of terrorism carried out by extra-parliamentary movements. The assassination of the Christian Democrat (DC) leader, Aldo Moro, in 1978 by the Second Red Brigades led by Mario Moretti, ended the "historic compromise" between the DC and the Italian Communist Party (PCI).

Christian Democracy (Democrazia Cristiana, DC), the Christian democratic party of Italy, dominated government for nearly half a century until its demise amid a welter of corruption allegations in 1992-94. The term Historic Compromise (Italian:"compromesso storico") most commonly refers to the accommodation between the ItalianChristian Democrats (DC) and the Italian Communist Party (PCI) in the 1970s.

This period became known as the anni di piombo ("years of lead", i.e., [bullets]) from a wave of bombings and shootings — starting with the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing by neofascists — attributed to the far-right, far-left and secret services. According to the Ministry of Interior, 67.5% of the violence ("brawls, guerrilla actions, destruction of goods") committed in Italy from 1969 to 1980 are attributable to the far right, 26.5% to the far left, and 5.95% to others. 150 people were killed in terrorist actions carried out by the far right, and 94 by the far left.

 

 

 

 


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    Eleonora Carta:Hi everybody! I have just finished looking at our responses about Word Association and Sentence Completion…It was very fun and interesting ;-) That was a first step for us (American and Italian students) to know each other’s point of view about important issues like immigration and politics. As I was reading through the questionnaires, a lot of questions and considerations came to my mind. Anyway, I’d better go straight to the point and just discuss the three words and the two sentence completions which struck me most. As regards the word POLITICS, I noticed that we all have more or less the same idea about it. We mostly consider politics something corrupt, complex and difficult for “ordinary” people to understand. The majority of the words we associated with it have a negative connotation. IMMIGRANTS are thought to bring “cultural richness” but also problems and delinquency (especially from the Italians’ point of view). In the USA immigrants often try to become American rather than keeping their own traditions (that is more or less what I got from the answers given by Dickinson). Both sides associated immigrants with poverty and think there are prejudices against them. The description of ITALIAN-AMERICANS also caught my attention since it really corresponds to what we often see in movies ;-) Italians brought typical food to the USA (pizza, pasta, spaghetti) but also huge problems like the Mafia. In spite of this, especially American students seem to have a positive idea of Italian immigrants ;-) I enjoyed reading the opinions about PEOPLE FROM THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, although I think they are a little bit stereotyped (especially from the Italian side). I noticed that in both countries there are exactly the same differences: Southern people are considered nicer and more relaxed, whereas Northern people are thought to be very hard-working and more stressed. I did not know that :-) Let me know your point of view about it, Eleonora
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